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July 08, 2010 The Kiddieland Train resides in two places now. The Steam Locomotives and some of the wooden cars are located at the Hesston Steam Museum in Indiana and the Diesel Engines and cars are being refurbished for use in the suburban Chicago area.

The plan for the Diesel Train is to set up a 14" gauge track using the materials acquired from Kiddieland at Bengtson's Pumpkin Farm in Homer Glen. I have not heard if Bengtson's has a target date for the completion of the track. I could not find any information about the Kiddieland Train on Bengtson's website. Lets hope its completed in time for the 2010 Halloween Season!

The Steam Train (right) will be operating most weekends at Hesston this summer season. Kiddieland's Hudson will take the primary roll and work as a single engine on non-holiday weekends. The plan is to use both the Northern AND the Hudson for the July 4th weekend and Labor Day weekends.

Last week, Hesston volunteers located some interesting old placards that had been on the Kiddieland Hudson back in the 40s and 50s. Look for them when you visit Hesston this summer. These little signs have not seen the light of day in something like 40 years!

The engineers stop to tend to the steamer's real coal fire.
Photo by Bruce Moffat (c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

DATELINE: May 29-31, 2010

HESSTON, IND. -- The Kiddieland "Double-Header" was a complete success. Visitors to the Hesston Steam Museum gathered early on Saturday to await the arrival of the Kiddieland Trains at Hesston Junction Station. The Northern and Hudson steam engines pulling Kiddieland coaches arrived at the station shortly before noon. In a little while, with two whistle blasts from each engine, the first Kiddieland double header in over 30 years pulls out with a full load of passengers.

The Kiddieland Train in the media

WBBM News Radio
Herald Argus
Post Trib
NBC Chicago
CBS 2 Chicago
WGN TV
My Fox Chicago

Check out Grand Scales Quarterly, Oct. 2007 for a great article that includes the Kiddieland Train with photos of the Northern and the Hudson "double-heading" way back in 1958.

Your kiddielandtrain.com webmaster at play.
Doing this was a dream come true for me.
Photo by Dan Vasta (c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

Jim's running the Northern and Rick is on the Hudson Both engines were built by Wagner and Son of Plainfield, Illinois. Both Rick and Jim are from the Chicago area and loved the Kiddieland Train as kids.
Photo by Ted Rita (c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

The first run on Memorial Day. Engineer Jim operates the lead engine while engineer Rick is in the second. Both engines ran at Kiddieland for years and could be seen doing this exact same "Double-Header" arrangement back in the 1950s.
Photo by Bruce Moffat (c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

Engineer Jim waits for the "High-ball" (the go ahead) signal from the conductor on Sunday May 30th, 2010.
Photo by Wayne Conklin (c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

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April 8, 2010 The Hesston Steam Museum reports that the Kiddieland Northern (see below for the complete history) steam locomotive is being serviced in preparation for the 2010 operating season.

All are invited out for opening day weekend May 29, 30 & 31 where the Kiddieland Limited Steam Trains will run again. Check the Hesston web site for details and other dates.

March 12, 2010 The Kiddieland steam locomotive that had been removed from Kiddieland on November 20th, 2009 has been relocated to the Hesston Steam Museum (see video below) and is being evaluated for possible passenger service for the 2010 season. Check back here or add your address to our News Letter mailing list for more information as it's made available.

February 28, 2010 Except for one steam train sold in the 80's, the Kiddieland train was sold to the founder of "Gas City". It was removed by flat bed truck and taken to an undisclosed location. I assume it is being stored in the Frankfort Illinois area where Gas City is based but don't know for sure.

Video by K. O'Connor. Music by Pullman Conductors of Jazz.

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We don't know exactly what Mr. Bill McEnery, the new owner, plans to do with the Kiddieland Train he picked up on November 20th. We hear Mr. McEnery is a train lover and has the resources to give it a good home. We don't know if he plans to set up the track he acquired to run the trains. I would guess he does set up the track. The big question is: "Will he allow the public to ride?"

We also know that another Kiddieland Train (the missing train) that was sold off in the 80's is being stored at a museum in Indiana. We spoke to the director of the Hesston Steam Museum in Hesston Indiana and they WILL BE RUNNING the Kiddieland "lost train" (the Hudson) and some original Kiddieland coaches on Memorial Day Weekend May 29, 30 & 31, 2010.

December 12, 2009 The Hesston Steam Museum in Indiana informed us that they WILL BE RUNNING the Kiddieland "lost train" (the Hudson) and some original Kiddieland coaches on Memorial Day Weekend May 29, 30 & 31, 20102.

November 25, 2009 CBS 2 reports that a Costco store will be built on the old Kiddieland site.

November 24, 2009 All 21 remaining rides and other equipment sold at auction.

Bumper Cars (1962) $18,700 purchased by an amusement company in Loganville, Ga.
Little Dipper Roller Coaster $36,300 (1950) from the Philadelphia Toboggan Co. purchased by Six Flags Great America.
Carousel $320,000 (1925) from the Philadelphia Toboggan Co. Future unknown.
Hand pumped mine cars sold for an unknown amount and went to the Dutch Village in Holland MI.

November 20, 2009 The Kiddieland trains are loaded on a flat bed trailer (right). Final destination unknown. The exact sale price of the entire train including track, signals, engines and cars is not known. It was said that this was sold for more than the Carousel at $320,000. The lucky purchaser is widely reported to be William J. McEnery of Frankfort Illinois, founder and president of Gas City (a chain of gasoline stations). We hope that Bill McEnery will make it available to the public in the Chicago area.

click images to enlarge Photo taken 11-20-2009 by L. Andrew Jugle
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History (what I've been able to piece together with help from L. Andrew Jugle)

1929 The story goes that founder, Arthur E. Fritz, won his original Pony Ride in a poker game. Fritz had been a successful building contractor until the crash and depression of 1929. He figured the pony ride could help him until the economy picked up and he could continue his contracting business.

1936 Kiddieland moved to it's permanent home on the corner of First Avenue and North Avenue. The first 14" gauge (rails spaced 14" apart) track was laid within the first year.

1938 Art Fritz acquires a smaller 12" gauge (rails spaced 12" apart) G-12 from Miniature Train Company (MTC) of Addison Illinois. It ran in the area that was later occupied by the "Little Dipper" roller coaster in 1950.

1941 The first of the large Wagner (Wagner and Son Manufacturing of Plainfield, Illinois) Steam Locomotives was delivered. The 4-6-4 Hudson type was the replacement for the earlier steam locomotives that were underpowered. The second large locomotive, a 4-8-4 Northern, was delayed by the war effort and wasn't delivered for another 9 years in 1950. These 2 "trains" were pulled by actual steam engines (or "live steam" as it's called) and fueled by coal. The smaller Hudson was sold off in the mid 1980's along with several wooden passenger cars. The larger Northern remained at Kiddieland until it closed at the end of the 2009 season. Both steam locomotives sported a streamline look reminiscent of the Sante Fe blue goose locomotives of the day.

1948 More trains were added. These new trains had the look of the modern diesels of the day. While full scale F-2's were built by GM at the Electro Motive Division (EMD) in it's La Grange Illinois factory, Fritz's locomotives, G-16s. were built by the Miniature Train Company (MTC) of Addison Illinois. As a side note, the MTC G-16 debuted BEFORE any full size F-2's hit the rails.

Art Fritz ordered #514 in 1946, and had to wait until 1948 for delivery. It was purchased for $16,949. It seems that Miniature Train Company had a new factory built to meet the post-war demand, and moved manufacturing to Rennselaer, Indiana while maintaining offices in Elmhurst, Illinois.

Wagner Northern (left) and Miniature Train Company #704 (right)
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Miniature Train Company #514 A-B

"Kiddieland Limited" or "Chicago and Northwestern"?

The official Kiddieland website states that the Kiddieland train is painted in the Chicago and Northwestern paint scheme. Obviously, that's not true.

A letter from one of our email newsletter subscribers put me straight on the mystery of the C&NW paint scheme as it appeared on the old Kiddieland Trains. With clues from a story written by L. Andrew Jugle located here Grand Scales Quarterly, Oct. 2007. Its not that hard to figure out what happened. In photos from that story, you can make out lettering (when you zoom in) on the G-16s and the steamers that say "Chicago and Northwestern". The paint scheme on the G16s were never C&NW but resembled the Southern Pacific look (see photo above). Mr. Jugle verified that the the color delivery photos he received 2008 clearly show the train in it's familiar SP looking paint scheme (that black/yellow/red paint was the MTC standard color scheme). So in the 50s, all the Kiddieland equipment, steam or diesel, was lettered C&NW without regard to paint color.

Now look at this placard that was recently found by Hesston volunteers that had been removed from the Hudson 20 years ago and recently re-installed. It would seem that Fritz really liked the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad but wasn't worried about matching the paint.

MTC #514 A-B Photo by D. Crean
(c) www.Kiddielandtrain.com all rights reserved.

1950 The Wagner built "Northern" steam locomotive arrives at Kiddieland.

1953 Fritz orders #704 MTC, a "C" unit to make the first A-B-A "Transcontinental" MTC train (a "B" unit is cab-less and is controlled by the A unit and the "C" unit is the same as an "A" but placed running backward).

These new gasoline powered "G-16" trains were an instant hit. Like the Wagner engines, these new trains would run on Kiddieland's 14" gauge track (actually set 14 and 1/8" apart to reduce wear and derailments). The modern G-16s quickly became popular with the crowds. The Wagners, needing more maintenance, were used less and less over the years until eventually (we think) they stopped using them all together. Many fans of the old steam trains continued to ask about them and due partly by public demand, the Northern was refurbished and taken out on special weekends. They must have figured they would never run both steamers at the same time and besides, keeping two steamers in running condition is much harder than one so the smaller and older "Hudson" was sold off..

Kiddieland, the first amusement park in the country with that name, became the prototype for family friendly amusement parks during the baby boomer years in the late 40's. Dozens of "Kiddielands" sprang up in those days. Many were even called "Kiddieland" (Fritz failed to get the name registered) and all the new Kiddielands had miniature trains as the show piece ride. Most had the MTC G-16 diesel train. MTC would even help with the design and set up of a park as long as you purchased MTC train rides.

#704 at the "end of the line"
Image from youtube video by M. Peterson
09-12-2009
http://www.youtube.com/user/mspetersen

What ever became of that old "Hudson" that was sold off in the '80s?

The Missing Kiddieland Train

Here's a photo of Harold Wagner on the Wagner "Hudson" 4-6-4 in 2008. The photo was taken BEFORE it's restoration. Notice the "Kiddieland" look and color scheme. This photo was taken at the Hesston Steam Museum shortly after the Hudson's arrival. There's plans for an "Unveiling" on Memorial Day, 2010 that will be open to the public.

A preview of the "Kiddieland" train scheduled to run on Memorial Day Weekend, 2010 at the Hesston Steam Museum.

Watch this space or the Hesston website for details.

The famous Kiddieland Steamer rides off into
the sunset as a child waves good bye.

More Photos

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Where have all the Chicago's Train Rides gone?

Kiddieland	Melrose Park	Wagner Steam, MTC Diesels	Closed 2009	The MTCs are in storage. The Wagner steam engine is on loan to Hesston
Santa's Village	Dundee	Chance Steam Outline	Closed 2006	?
Brookfield Zoo Train	Brookfield	Sandley Steam & Diesel	Closed 1985	Where is it now?
Adventure Land	Addison	MTC Diesel	Closed 1977	?
Lincoln Park Zoo	Chicago	MTC Diesel	unknown	Where is it now?
Fairyland	Lyons	MTC Diesel	Closed 1968	?
Riverview	Chicago	MTC Diesel	Closed 1967	?
Wicker Park	Chicago	National Amusement Device	unknown	?
Hoot, Toot & Whistle	Elgin	Sandley Steam Locomotive	Closed mid 70s	Where is it now?

It's obvious that miniature trains in the Chicago area are now extinct. So where do you take your kids for an old fashion miniature train ride? These are places I have visited and recommend...

Distance from Chicago	Name	Gauge (track size)	Details
1.25 hrs	Hesston Steam Museum (home to the Brookfield Zoo train)	2'/3' gauge + 14" & 7.5" ga.	Open every summer weekend. Also special Holiday runs. See website.
1.5 hrs	Prairie State Railroad Club	7.5" gauge	Open for public rides on the first Saturday of the month April to October. See website.
2.5 hrs	Little Amerricka Amusement Park	16" gauge	Open all summer plus extended weekends. See website.
1.5 hrs	Milwaukee Co. Zoo	15" gauge	May-October, weather permitting.
1.75 hrs	Waterman& Western Railroad	15" gauge	Open summer weekends and holidays. See website.
1.25 hrs	Blackberry Farm	24" gauge	Open all summer plus extended weekends. See website.
1.5 hrs	Six Flags Great America	2' gauge	Open all summer plus extended weekends. See website.
3 hrs	Riverside & Great Northern (home of the Hoot, Toot & Whistle train)	15" gauge	Open every summer day plus other weekends. See website.

About Your Web Blogger Jim O'Connor:

I'm from Oak Park. My older brother Bob had a job at Kiddieland when I was about 11 years old back in the mid 60's. No, he never drove the train but he would slip me tickets on my frequent visits to the park and I would ride for free all day. I must have taken a hundred rides on the G-16s. Thirty years later I discovered and fell in love with the large scale Live Steam Railroad Hobby. Now I run a website called discoverlivesteam.com and belong to several live steam railroad clubs and own several pieces of 7.5" gauge equipment including a working steam locomotive in 1/5 scale.

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